Curse

Nater · Jan 18, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Why is it fair to the rest of us that some people can have the HoD sword and others can't? I want one, yet now I can't craft it at Denravi like everyone else did.

Much like the 20/20 Enchant Axe, I vote for the HoD either being wiped entirely, or reinstated at Denravi.

Valerius · Jan 18, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

if u want one sooo bad then save up 300K and get one for urself :P

X of Thulcandra · Jan 18, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I find it odd as well. If Anet wants this game as balanced as possible but still leaves the item in, what's the point? Why not just put a 300k price tag on it at the Henge if they are going to allow a certain group of people to keep it and sell it for alot more than it's worth? If you don't want an item to exist in the game anymore, you shouldn't do a half-assed job of "removing" it.

Jade · Jan 18, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

I suppose it's one saving grace is the fact that it's a one anded weapon that can be upgraded. But then again so is every sword in the game. The part I don't get is the "whoopie!" over the +5 energy bonus that it has. Honestly, I have never been in a situation where 5 energy meant the difference between life and death.

audioaxes · Jan 18, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

i agree but i say just remove the +5 energy because it makes a disbalance between staves vs wand + offhand

JR · Jan 18, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

If you remove the +5 energy, you may aswell just remove the sword entirely.

However, I agree. Henge swords and axes, 20% rockmoulders... They need to be taken out of the game if Anet wants to keep that "Skill over grind" motto.

Carinae · Jan 18, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Don't Cry Over Spilt Milk.

These items don't unbalance the game. If they were going to remove them, they would have already. Move Along.

fgarvin · Jan 18, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

You guys want balance?

Here we go...give everyone the same weapon, the same armor, the same skills and the same health/energy...create only one monster type and let the players have at it. Weeeee, what fun.

No system is going to be perfect.

The 20/20 Axe was a bug, the 20% Rockmolder and the HoD sword were flawed creations that have since been fixed. See the difference?

You want a pre-update HoD or Rockmolder? Do what's been suggested before...buy one. It may take farming Griffins for three weeks straight, but you WILL earn the money eventually. And now you’re asking, “Why should I have to farm to get rich?” The answer…Because that’s the way it is…nothing is given freely in real life, so why should it be any different in a game you CHOOSE to play.

JR · Jan 18, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Don't Cry Over Spilt Milk.

These items don't unbalance the game. If they were going to remove them, they would have already. Move Along.

To quote Ensign in another thread:

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Did you watch the World Championship playoffs at all? Did you notice that the Warriors on the winning teams were exclusively PvE characters? Did you notice that they all had their helms hidden? Care to guess what percentage of them had hex helms in their inventories to put on if the other team was foolish enough to run anti-Warrior hexes?

I don't understand this 'oh, it seems ok to me, but they might look into it if it becomes a problem' attitude. It *is* a problem. They *know* it's a problem. They almost certainly already know how they're going to fix it, and just haven't rolled out the change yet because of the World Championships.

So if most decent players are using an item, is that a sign of imbalance? Yes, I think so. Admittedly as Ensign also points out the LT's helm is considerably more imbalanced than the other henge items, but that does not change the fact that they ARE imbalanced.

Anets motto is "Skill over time spent". So if I want my monk to be as good as everyone elses in PvP, do I have to grind and farm untill I can afford a Henge Sword? Yes, I do. If I want a completely up to scratch PvP warrior, do I have to create a PvP character and get him kitted out with perfect weapons and a LT's helm? Yes, I do.

There is no real argument for keeping the Henge items (and other simmilar items) in the game. There is a very strong argument for taking them out.

X of Thulcandra · Jan 18, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by fgarvin

No system is going to be perfect.

The 20/20 Axe was a bug, the 20% Rockmolder and the HoD sword were flawed creations that have since been fixed. See the difference?

They have been ''fixed"? Then why are people still selling them?

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Don't Cry Over Spilt Milk.

These items don't unbalance the game. If they were going to remove them, they would have already. Move Along.

Number one: There is a bold line between ''crying'' and voicing your opinion. Number two: Why put a large population of players at a disadvantage by allowing a certain population of players to possess an item that is only obtainable by having to shell out 200-300k to their grubby hands? Why do you think they removed the sword in the first place? I'm pretty sure they didn't "remove" it without a valid reason. Oh, and before you go mouth off about "crying" to people that have an opinion that makes sense, how about you stop acting like YOU are the authority on ArenaNet's logic and actually contribute an opinion instead of acting like everything you say is a fact?

Ghull Ka · Jan 18, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Tell the monk not to use his rez on that horse, we're not done punishing it yet! :P

I'm sad that my HoD sword never sold for my asking price of 250 rubies. Aww well. I still have it and with it's amazing cosmic power, I can imbalance the game and use its unfair overpowered leetness to... uh... wait a sec... um... to.... to do a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't otherwise be able to do if I didn't have this incredibly superior, game-unbalancing UBER HOD SWORD OF PWNAGE!!! YES!! PHEAR the HoD sword and the necromancer who wields it! Lament that you cannot get one! It's that amazing!

Either that, or it's a non-max sword with no built-in damage mod, which makes it hit much less hard than other swords in the game. It carries 5 energy, which can be matched by the Nolani wand. If its owner chooses to "grind" for enough gold to buy a 20% enchanting pommel, then a monk wearing it and a +12 energy offhand has...

...wait for it...

2 more energy than a monk wearing a Yakslapper. And they both have the 20% enchanting mod.

Imbalance? Pfft.

Cool sword? You BET! Gogo GW antiques! =)

Kate Bloodspirit · Jan 18, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Since the beggining of the game, the developers said there would be exquisite items, unique enough such that just a few would enjoy of them and that there would be few that will really get to enjoy them.

Just as a +15% perfect req 7 max gold crystaline sword. You don't need it, however, it is nice to have. HoD sword is not an exception. As someone said already, move along, like most of us.

generik · Jan 18, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by X of Thulcandra

Number one: There is a bold line between ''crying'' and voicing your opinion. Number two: Why put a large population of players at a disadvantage by allowing a certain population of players to possess an item that is only obtainable by having to shell out 200-300k to their grubby hands? Why do you think they removed the sword in the first place? I'm pretty sure they didn't "remove" it without a valid reason. Oh, and before you go mouth off about "crying" to people that have an opinion that makes sense, how about you stop acting like YOU are the authority on ArenaNet's logic and actually contribute an opinion instead of acting like everything you say is a fact?

They legally paid for it.
It is theirs.
Unlike the 20/20 axe it is not a hacked item.

And lastly, deleting an item would erode player confidence in the game economy, why bother playing a game if the results of your hard labour can be wiped out arbitarily in a second for NO GOOD REASON?

JR · Jan 18, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Tell the monk not to use his rez on that horse, we're not done punishing it yet! :P

I'm sad that my HoD sword never sold for my asking price of 250 rubies. Aww well. I still have it and with it's amazing cosmic power, I can imbalance the game and use its unfair overpowered leetness to... uh... wait a sec... um... to.... to do a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't otherwise be able to do if I didn't have this incredibly superior, game-unbalancing UBER HOD SWORD OF PWNAGE!!! YES!! PHEAR the HoD sword and the necromancer who wields it! Lament that you cannot get one! It's that amazing!

Sigh.

It has a clear advantage over anything else, which equals imbalance. That is a fact. Therefore, something should eventually be done about it. It certainly isn't urgent at all, but eventually it needs to be looked at.

X of Thulcandra · Jan 18, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by generik

They legally paid for it.
It is theirs.
Unlike the 20/20 axe it is not a hacked item.

And lastly, deleting an item would erode player confidence in the game economy, why bother playing a game if the results of your hard labour can be wiped out arbitarily in a second for NO GOOD REASON?

And the people the people that shelled out 100k+ on the now EXTINCT 20/20 axe DIDN'T legally pay for it? The people that handed over some iron/steel and a fairly small amount of gold aren't losing much compared to the people that spent loads of hopefully hard-earned money on those 20/20 axes that Anet DID eradicate.

generik · Jan 18, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by X of Thulcandra

And the people the people that shelled out 100k+ on the now EXTINCT 20/20 axe DIDN'T legally pay for it? The people that handed over some iron/steel and a fairly small amount of gold aren't losing much compared to the people that spent loads of hopefully hard-earned money on those 20/20 axes that Anet DID eradicate.

Fact:

The HoD sword has its "desirable" qualities from the go-get, you do not have to apply specific mods to it to gain that desirable effect.

Fact:

People who buy the axe know full well that it is an exploit

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The HoD sword sat there innocently for MONTHS before it got removed. Can't blame you for not noticing, isn't it?

The principal difference in these is, people who bought the HoD sword for a "relatively small amount of gold" did so in good faith, they paid for the item as advertised, they got the item, they are happy. It is like you going to the nearest Macers and plonking down 2 dollars for a cheese burger.

Those who bought the SOE axe on the other hand, let's just say they are like people who... "What's this? Latest Apple Powerbook for only $1000? Hey! Where is the documentation and paperwork? Nevermind it is cheap, I will take it", and subsequently when they get arrested for possessing stolen goods they go "Wah Wah!" and cry like babies.

King's Spectre · Jan 18, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I'd be happy with a compromise:

Remove all the HOD swords from the game but replace them with a unique-skinned sword. This way you get them out of the game, but wouldn’t mess over the people saved up and purchased one to stay competitive.

The “limited edition” swords would still sell very well, but would no longer imbalance the PvP part of the game.

At the very least, give me my 10k back (steel was going for crazy high prices when I crafted mine).

generik · Jan 18, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

At the core of this debate is the same PvE vs PvP argument all over again.

"Wah! This weapon is so imbal in the arenas!"

"Why should PvP balance trump PvE gameplay?!"

My recommendation, introduce the idea of PvP certified weapons. Before you can equip anything in the arenas you have to go to a NPC and have them certified. Changing any mods on the weapon removes certification.

Darned simple solution isn't it. Just a new column in a SQL table. Not even going to take a wink of an eye.

Nater · Jan 18, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Don't Cry Over Spilt Milk.

These items don't unbalance the game. If they were going to remove them, they would have already. Move Along.

Why can't I get a HoD sword then for 15 Iron, 1 Steel, and 1 Plat at Denravi then?

If they're balanced and fine, PUT THE DAMN THING BACK.

4runner · Jan 18, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

I dont see the problem with uber weapons, i have played Gw for 750hrs over i dont know 4months(lol), anyway Iguess you could call me a noob, but let me say this I have over 1.2plat slpit between 3 toons and have acquired some awesome weapons in this short time!! The trick is to buy low and sell high, basic capitalism!! I dont see why you cant achieve the same results with disiclpline, desire and committment its alot of hard work but, nothing is free why remove something from the game, just because you dont have it, or cant afford it, but want one, so you hate on all those who have it, typical arrogant spoiled rich kids who think they deserve everything!!!!!

A little hard work would be good for you, "GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE WITH YOUR TIME"

2 crystalline in 4months not to friggin bad for A NEwb!!! LOL